Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?

by smiddy3 in

i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..

Sea Breeze

@Rattigan,

JW’s believe that Jesus is really Michael the Archangel incognito.

They got the wrong Jesus…. Not Christian.

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Is 1914 still a major belief in JW land ? Or has it been abandoned ?

by smiddy3 in

i just wonder about this topic as it is now 109 years since that date and what was expected to take place has never happened ..

Sea Breeze

1914 is a cornerstone belief of the JW dogma.
Without it....the Borg collapses in n itself faster it will make your head spin.

I agree totally. 1914 is the excuse they use to teach that justification (and all the promises and guarantees that goes along with it) is no longer available.

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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.

by BoogerMan in

in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..

Sea Breeze

An interesting symbolism, but it ignores the trinity 'truth' - that thousands of people saw Christ, therefore, thousands of people actually saw God Almighty incarnate. That's the truth you believe.

This is not symbolism. It is literally true. I have posted this chart many times on this board because it is the definition that the bible uses to describe us. According to the bible, we are a tri-partite being, with each part denoting personhood, and collectively constituting a person who is alive.

Using the bible's definition of who Jesus was (fully man), you can see how he could also be fully God (although veiled in a body) by inheriting the very essence of the almighty ("God is a Spirit") as his "only-begotten" son.

Begotten means to father, in the sense that your offspring also inherits your DNA (your essence). Jesus inherited the very essence of his father Jehovah - his Spirit.

One of the unique characteristics of God is his omnipresence. Since the essence of God is undividable, Jesus is fully God by virture of the nature of his Spirit, and fully man because he meets the descriptive criteria of a man stated in scripture at 1 Thess. 5: 23 and Heb. 4: 12

The heart of the Lord is love. I find it fascinating to ponder the depths to which God would go to so that we could easier relate to him. We no longer need a special group of learned men to show us the father. As Jesus put it - if you have seen me, you have seen the father.

Also according to the bible, the entire purpose of our existence is to love God and enjoy his many creations and attributes. The life and times of Jesus makes this so much more doable.

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How many new converts do you remember as a JW?

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

inspired by the "whats the reason you think jw's are in decline" thread.

my belief is that almost all the growth, at least in the western world is due to jw's having kids.

i was a 4th generation jw from birth till about age 20, so the timeframe i can comment on would be my teen years.

Sea Breeze

Yes - born in. (4th Gen)

I was 32 in '95

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What distinguishes the 144,000 from the Great Crowd?

by Vanderhoven7 in

both the 144,000 and the "great crowd") consist of members who are:.

144,000 great crowd.

a. from every kindred and nation.

Sea Breeze

Unfortunately for 99.9% of Watchtower Witnesses, biblically speaking, there is no such thing as a Christian who is not indwelt by the Holy Spirit and is bereft of a heavenly hope.

And the .1% that do claim to be annointed (born again) still teach a gospel of two salvations - one with, and one without the new covenant. Since the apostles never taught this, they are cursed:

Gal. 1 8-9 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY TO BE JUSTIFIED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT, NOT TWO

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How many new converts do you remember as a JW?

by SydBarrett in

jw
friends

inspired by the "whats the reason you think jw's are in decline" thread.

my belief is that almost all the growth, at least in the western world is due to jw's having kids.

i was a 4th generation jw from birth till about age 20, so the timeframe i can comment on would be my teen years.

Sea Breeze

I left in 95 - 96. I think the internet is what has stopped much new growth. Now people are just trying to figure out how much they can salvage from their family and friends....which isn't much most of the time.

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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.

by BoogerMan in

in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..

Sea Breeze

@ BM regarding John 1: 18 & Ex. 33: 7 (No man hath seen God)

The bible speaks of Jesus' body as a veil. Jesus was God manifest in the flesh just as God claims, only veiled.

Heb.10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Instead of a veil of cloth leading to the Most Holy in the temple, Jesus' body is now the veil leading to the Most Holy in person, literally.

"I am the door" - Jesus

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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.

by BoogerMan in

in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..

Sea Breeze

1 Timothy 3:16 as cited by Early Church Leaders

@BM - Ignatius was a disciple of the Apostle John. He and many other early Christian leaders correctly quote 1 Tim. 3: 16. Once a person believes God when he says we are a tri-partite being made of soul, body & spirit, it is much easier to accept who God says he is. Most people have an unbiblical view of our makeup, essentially a view that adheres to materialism. You have to take off your WT / Secular assumptions when reading the bible or you'll get no where.

Among the clearest texts in the Bible that show that Christ was both man and God is 1 Timothy 3:16. The Authorised Version translated this as:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.

by BoogerMan in

in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..

Sea Breeze

@ BM

Even many Jews prior to the birth of Jesus were expecting "God manifest in the flesh" (1 Tim. 3:16)

In the Dead Sea Scroll (DSC) 11Q13 - The messiah is equated to Jehovah. It mentions his atonement and incredibly even a following period of "grace".

I believe the Essenes all became Christan, because unlike the Pharisee, their theology was much more in line with Christian themes.

The Jews that we see after the first century (and today), are mostly Pharisees and to a lesser degrree Saducees.

Ken Johnson explains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4oUyM6JSys

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God, Jesus, & Holy Spirit - never mentioned together in one authentic verse.

by BoogerMan in

in every scripture where god & jesus appear, the holy spirit is always awol/mia.. probably explains the existence of binitarians..

Sea Breeze

Sea Breeze, who quoted those verses?

Several early Christian leaders in the list I posted above, didn't you see it? How did people quote a verse that was supposedly added 700 to 1300 years later?

This is the problem for deniers to answer.

Here are over a dozen separate arguments with supporting evidence defending the genuineness and cannonicity of 1 John 5: 7 :

https://www.wayoflife.org/reports/a-defense-of-1-john.php

Sea Breeze

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1 Timothy 3:16 as cited by Early Church Leaders